tenders for works related with other depts

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On suburban section we have been awarding contracts for the following works which are considered essential for better working conditions

1. Contracts for radio trunking sets.
The PWIs at site can easily communicate with each other as well as PWI-control. These are very useful for especially during traffic block working. THe cost is only Rs.1500/- per set per month and we are hiring about seventy sets.

2. Contract for lighting arrangements during night
We have contracts for lighting arrangements for night working with 2.1 KVA D.G sets with 4 halogen lamps of 500Watt capacity at cost of around Rs.800/- per night shift of 8 hours.

3. Contract for dewatering during monsoon
We also have contracts for dewatering using 20HP pumps during monsoons to pump water from low lying areas

During discussions with our accounts officer, she stated that these tenders for contracts at Sr.No.1 are to be dealt by S&T department and contracts at Sr.No.2 & 3 should be dealt by electrical department.

Treating these like T&P items can the tenders for these works invited and finalised by Engg department.

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Any body can invite & finalise contract but it is always better if concern deptt who has the responsibility of providing such facility invite & finalise the contract



- R.P. Saxena Chief Engineer (General) ... 10-12-07

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Sometimes self help is better than depending on somebody else. The other departments have their own priorities and preferences are not interested in these works as it is the work of Engg Dept that suffers without these facilities.



- V. Natarajan ADEN(HQ)BCT ... 10-12-07

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Previously in Our division Work of Through Turn out renewal was Done By Engg. Deptt , By Contract and signalling work was executed departmentally. But due toprogress of work suffered badly ,It was done nowadays under same contract both works are being done/awarded by same contract and both department execute their part of work jointly.
This resulted Very good progress in TTR work of our division.



- Anil Kumar Shahi SSE(P.Way) DSD Bilaspur ... 10-12-07

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the stand of natrajan is justified. i do not know if as a person i can buy a TV for myself then for railway why i can't buy it. similarly for parties if i can hire DG set then why not for railways. in all engineering cources first year is devoted to basic engineering knowledge of all branch and people with engineering degree being intellectual being can do all this. however the account proves that we are fools as far as hiring DG sets are concerned. and all this is due to our policy makers at board are not concerned. this is BALANT truth. they ask for progress but naver think of giving the resources. the problem of repairing fracture at night can be understood by only those who despite of his rank can imagin of site (though everybody must have burnt their fingure ometim).anyway, the most foolish joke i that all the objections are done by those persons who i bet will run away when faced withe ground realities. writing objection or advice can be done by rikshaw pullar also and that too with equal ease and quality.
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- AjeetKumarDEN/Con/JMP ... 11-12-07

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in MES same garrisson engineer do the electrical and civil work both. how ever these are the tools useful in p-way work similar to track machine.if we can purchase and maintain track machine efficiently then why we can contract these petty tools useful in construction work. in that way some day concrete mixture will be hired by electrical or mechanical dept. now a days a large no of advance construction equipment are used in civil engg works containg control circuits (elctrical spare parts) and IC engines (mechanical). so for this then we have to go these respective departments..it is not practical..



- VINAYAK PANDEY IRSE(P) ... 11-12-07

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There are numerous instances of departments working essentially in other department's territory. The diesel engine's motors are maintained by mechanical people and the bogies of the electrical engines are maintained by the electrical people. We are maintaining the track machines even when it is essentially in mechanical field. There is advantage of all this as the breaking up of a project into parts leads to problems and single agency dealing with the complete thing means less chances of failures on account of the co-ordination.

The issue of the wiring of building or the pumps of motors to be a part of civil contract may not be that bad an idea, though we might start objecting to the building being a part of wiring contract and well being a part of the motor contract.

The minor things like hiring of pumps/ DG sets etc in connection with the civil works as required by the BCT division, are not really in the domain of other departments as there is no technical issue. It is basically hiring contract. we may ask other departments to do these works, but since except the dewatering which is affecting the train services, other items are in normal working of the engg department only, the services of the concerned department are likely to be casual and will only add to the work of the DR for coordination. Only regarding the de-watering of tracks, I feel that it may be done by electrical department only as it is their job.



- Vivek Bhushan Sood Professor/Track-II ... 12-12-07

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We had atleast two tenders in BCT division where contract for Engg & electrical departments were awarded to a same agency.

One was for construction of staff quarters at Surat a decade back where electrical work was included in the Engg contract and payment for electrical portion was made on certification from SE(Power) who supervised the work duly test checked by concerned AEE.

Another work was a single tender awarded for upgradation of operation theatre for total knee replacement at J.R.Hospital where engg contract included electrical work as well which was supervised and certified by electrical department. This work costed around Rs.35.00 lacs in late 1990s.



- V. Natarajan ADEN(HQ)BCT ... 12-12-07

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Same work is done in Replacement of Channel sleeper works and TTR work where two Branches of same departement/two department executing the work under one contract and payment is arranged after certification of respective Department.



- Anil Kumar Shahi SSE(P.Way) DSD Bilaspur ... 13-12-07

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In my view all works of different department should be a part of single tender and certification from respective department should be taken. but in this particular case..as sood sir is saying.. it is all related to routine civil engg. work. but in future there may ambiguity be arise in deciding which work is related with which departments leading to departmental conflict. and some non technical( like account..) dept people may derive their role as refree..it would be loss of our department..so any step in this direction should be taken cautiously..
Another thing i would like to mention that railway's difft department's working is not stereo type of typical conventional civil engg, electrical engg and electronics engg.. so it can not be equated in that sense..as here electrical is doing mechanival works, electronics doesnt mean signal engg, loco engine contain more than half electrical equipment..dealt by mechnical people..railway engineering in itself is a well developed engg.. development in PWAY technology will contain a lot of electrical and electronics equipment but core would be track technology..neither of these are taught at graduate level engg course..



- VINAYAK PANDEY IRSE(P) ... 13-12-07